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Didn't think donald trump was aware of the administration policy toward russia because of what he would say and nbc published a report that he told aides when he approved of the opening up of -- to ukraine, don't tell anybody and i don't want to anger putin. so he is aware and that it could frustrate his by lateral relationship with putin and i think he wants to preserve that. even though they are going very far out to coercively signal to the kremlin that you have a box in which you are constrained. >> i think your point is very interesting one. and that is what happens -- we know that auto c...

Same time, michael cohen was signing or getting a letter of intent to try and brand a trump tower moscow. and that deal fell through. never happened, but was going on during the campaign. and i think that he was doing it, clearly, at the behest of the trump organization, which probably didn't think donald trump was going to win. and wanted to continue its business and could really capitalize on the fact that donald trump was now a lot more well known and popular, even than he had been during "the apprentice." and so what cohen has always done is whatever donald trump wants. >> ahh. so, david, ...

>> right. michael cohen, since 2007, has been at donald trump's side and has done anything donald trump wants him to do. and so he's worked on a variety of businesses. he also worked on a lot of branding issues. one of those was trump tower moscow, where during the election, when the president was saying, i've had no contact with russia, i'm not doing any business with russia, at the same time, michael cohen was signing or getting a letter of intent to try and brand a trump tower moscow. and that deal fell through. never happened, but was going on during the campaign. and i think that he was d...

Demasking requests that rice asked for there was intelligence being leaked right and left to the press hurt trump as a candidate. there were leaks to the press to ruin general flynn ohio think is a good man that the administration is obviously behind. she knows that we're on to her. all of this was done, martha, most of this before the election because the obama administration didn't think hillary clinton would lose. and i think this is all catching up to them now. >> in terms of brennan and clapper, how confident are you that it's possible to find out exactly what they really did know about h...

Morally and do the right thing. >> one of the most bizarre things was that rob porter thought co-work at the white house and this would never come out. i had ex-wives saying this about him and would it never come out. then people at the white house who also learned about it. who also seemed to think it wouldn't come out or believed his denials. >> it is not crazy for me to think he could get away with it. there were people in the trump orbit including steve bannon who had previous accusations. i think in bannon's case, he was charged with a misdemeanor and it was dropped. still in good standin...