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It is remarkable to imagine people taking up arms. the math on this simply doesn't work for ukrainians. everything in the military, the russians have more of and are better trained, russians have found themselves in ok passions that didn't work for them. putin is different, he has a harder grip on russia, protesting is very costly in russia and yet, we're seeing it happen. we're seeing journalists writing letters to say this is inappropriate. we see people getting arrested. there is real -- it's not big by, you know, in terms of percentages of russians but something is happening in russia. >> ...

Venues of this, the european venue, the ukraine, which isn't easy, obviously on the sanctions which are much more multilateral and much more ambitious than anything that's been attempted before. even though deterrence didn't work, you know, the efforts to persuade putin not to go in, that was beyond our capacity, control. i don't think we made mistakes. right now we are in as good a place as we can be given the geography and given the realities. >> yeah. and i'm with you, richard. i was very critical of the biden administration on afghanistan, the retreat from afghanistan, and the fact we didn...

Not worked? they had a clear plan, we know that _ not worked? they had a clear plan, we know that they _ not worked? they had a clear plan, we know that they did _ not worked? they had a clear plan, we know that they did because - we know that they did because western— we know that they did because western intelligence seems to have -ot western intelligence seems to have got hold _ western intelligence seems to have got hold of the plan. it was to cushion — got hold of the plan. it was to cushion from three axes in the ukraine, — cushion from three axes in the ukraine, toppled the govern...

And the opportunities missed. it was an appalling atrocity. we spend £3 billion a year in this country on counterterrorism and that night it didn't work. mi5 admitted, to me, at least two things they got wrong. the first thing was when early in 2017 they received intelligence and they interpreted it as probably drugs or organised crime — and not something to do with terrorism or national security. then the second thing was that when salman abedi came back from libya four days before the attack, they could have stopped him or they could have asked the police to stop him at the airport and qu...

Like the kremlin didn't believe us or concluded that somehow it could get away with this sort of a massive invasion of a peaceful neighbour. it's very unfortunate that deterrence didn't work, but here we are today and now we have to impose massive consequences, notjust so that the pain is felt immediately in the kremlin right now, but also so that future kremlin leaders see that this operation was a failure, that it did not achieve what russia wanted to achieve, and in fact, that it left russia weaker as a result of this war than when it started. interesting that you say deterrence didn't work...