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Even the speaker, it becomes increasingly difficult given the facts in front of me. >> so i'm sensing that you fall in this middle camp. and what i mean by that is what "the washington post" did when interviewing 45 democrats. they broke it down to their positions on impeachment. there are three categories. first up, the waverers, those torn between house leaders who impose impeachment and their base, which demands it, or perhaps in your case, sir, as you think about the principled aspects of all of this, the skeptics, who fear impeachment will be a political victory for the president and fina...

I do see these as pretty small. it makes sense to point to a larger pattern where we see the president, you know, making these big claims, i think largely appealing to his base that he's swinging big and making deals, and then ultimately when you look at the details they're a lot smaller. >> let's get to another headline here. i want to get your reaction to this. it is the washington post piece talking about how democrats are divided on the issue of impeachment. the paper interviewed 45 democrats splitting them up into three categories, those who are in pelosi's camp not ready to impeach, thos...

That's ahead of 2020. >> i want to get your reaction on this "washington post" piece. it's talking about the democratic divide on the issue of impeachment. you got the paper interviewing 45 members of the democratic party. splitting them up to three categories in the pelosi camp, those that don't want to touch impeachment. those that are torn about it and those die-hards that want nothing less than impeachment. does this sum up the current state of the party? >> absolutely. i do think there's a lot of division in the party on this issue because i don't think anyone really knows how it will pla...

Decisions. there are those who oppose impeachment and the base who demand it. then there's the skeptics and finally the die hards there at the bottom. determined to impeach this president because they think he's, quote, a singular threat to the republic. do you think those three categories are an accurate reflection of where democratic feelings are or do you think they are too simplistic? >> i think broadly speaking they're fairly accurate. i think that's been the case for many months now. there are obviously gradations among them and you have seen a movement towards impeachment for house demo...

Warrens are misleading the public and trying to make something out of nothing. >> the truth is impeachment could fire up the diehards in some of these early primary states but may not play well in the swing states which will decide the election. harris? >> harris: mike emanuel, thanks very much. i'm leaning in. the power panel is here. david bernstein, a democrat. alex wilkes, from america rising. why are you shaking your head with disagreement of impeachment? >> i want to be clear. it's possible and likely that the president has committed impeachable offenses, which in your last segment you d...