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Create a motive for them to cooperate with russia in the election? i don't know that they'll find anything there in that stream, but you have to look into it. and to the question of the tax returns, the tax returns may well be relevant to obstruction of justice as was said, but i think it's more relevant to this money laundering matter which is one has to ask the question why is donald trump and his ecosystem, flynn, manafort, junior, kushner, why are they behaving this way with respect to russia? and they're going to look at is money a motive for that, does it explain their behavior? and the ...

This white house? no, that's not the case. anthony scaramucci is the communications director. he is not the press secretary. yes, we might see him at this podium. and he likes tv, there's no doubt about that. we probably will see him do interviews. but sarah huckabee sanders is generally the one who is going to be taking questions. and is it going to be on camera? that is still unclear. and the questions, just because there's a new communications staff are not going to get suddenly a lot easier. the issues that are dogging in administration are extraordinarily serious issues. did they collude ...

Go. >> what made you change your mind? >> part of it is this three -- you know, not being honest about disclosure forms, the fact they're not embroiled in the don jr. e-mail. i mean, again, if these were normal staffers you could dispatch them. they may not make these mistakes because they would probably be -- if you were at that level of a white house, you would have the experience presumably, the wisdom to not make some of these mistakes. >> also with jared kushner, there's so many blurry lines when it comes to the private sector, to his businesses, to his real estate business and how, you k...

>> by the way, her daughter has a ph.d on foreign relations. >> i used to think that this -- i used to think they were a good influence on him, and we can go back and pull tape from six months ago or so. >> a lot of people said that, that they were a moderate influence. >> look, they're more liberal than i care for and they don't have any experience, but they're sane. and compared to some of the trump whisperers, they're going to keep him in line. i've actually changed my mind about that. i actually think now it is pretty clear that they should go. >> what made you change your mind? >> part of...

Anyone i know and talked to who serves in government and deals with sensitive issues. it's astonishing that jared kushner still has his security clearances when he has disclosed that contrary to initial disclosure forms, he had meetings like this. the president has the authority to decide who gets these clearances and who doesn't, but joe, i'm struck as i watch this unfold it's a little bit like an army retreating. there's a strong position that's set, and then it's overrun, and then you retreat to another position, and then you are asserting something different and then that one gets overrun ...