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Question of gerrymandering. the census, though, the census is the determining factor in how we redraw lines and how they were able to maneuver out of the 2010 census to deal with state legislatures that really did the gerrymandering and cut these district lines. now, we see them put someone in that will, in many ways help, in my opinion, raise real questions on whether we're going to get an effective real census push, particularly in areas that we need to be counting. >> could not agree with you more. this is probably the most important thing facing us right now. we do have gerrymandered distr...

Because of the way gerrymandering is getting so much worse. both parties have drawn absurd district lines to rig outcomes. >> north carolina's 12th district looks like spilled coffee. pennsylvania east 16th is flexing its muscles. and one commentator compared maryland's third to a broken winged tear dak tall. and then there's this. the ear muffs. >> one california governor went to the court steps to call out gerrymandering and use some of his best movie lines. >> it's the politicians picking the voters rather than the voters picking the politicians. it's time to say as that la vie that to gerr...

[applause] chris: moe, it was a powerful moment, but what are the chances that it will actually happen in both parties? >> yeah, as one of those bombastic loud mouths on television -- chris: no, you're not. >> -- you know, he's right. but what are the chances? i'm not optimistic right nowment i think -- right now. i think that there are too many factors at play that i hope we can get past, but everything from a white house that seems determined to blow up every institution it can from the judiciary to the media to its own party to congress to congressional representation that is too driven -- ...

To hell with them! [applause] chris: moe, it was a powerful moment, but what are the chances that it will actually happen in both parties? >> yeah, as one of those bombastic loud mouths on television -- chris: no, you're not. >> -- you know, he's right. but what are the chances? i'm not optimistic right nowment i think -- right now. i think that there are too many factors at play that i hope we can get past, but everything from a white house that seems determined to blow up every institution it can from the judiciary to the media to its own party to congress to congressional representation tha...

To hell with them! [applause] chris: moe, it was a powerful moment, but what are the chances that it will actually happen in both parties? >> yeah, as one of those bombastic loud mouths on television -- chris: no, you're not. >> -- you know, he's right. but what are the chances? i'm not optimistic right nowment i think -- right now. i think that there are too many factors at play that i hope we can get past, but everything from a white house that seems determined to blow up every institution it can from the judiciary to the media to its own party to congress to congressional representation tha...