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Eight minutes after the last ping, that would be unusual and against pattern. what on board the aircraft could cause that ping eight minutes after the last ping? >> we're not really sure, and i'm not sure about the ping. all these things have come up, we have this partial information, bits and pieces of information. let's say it's in that area. again, we're not -- i don't think it narrows it down a great deal even if it was. maybe something broke, maybe it wasn't a ping, maybe it was an echo. this whole thing from day one has been breakthrough after breakthrough that wasn't a breakthrough. >> ...

Eight minutes after the last ping, that would be unusual and against pattern. what on board the aircraft could cause that ping eight minutes after the last ping? >> we're not really sure, and i'm not sure about the ping. all these things have come up, we have this partial information, bits and pieces of information. let's say it's in that area. again, we're not -- i don't think it narrows it down a great deal even if it was. maybe something broke, maybe it wasn't a ping, maybe it was an echo. this whole thing from day one has been breakthrough after breakthrough that wasn't a breakthrough. >> ...

Going through in the current and the visibility and water, it may be that diving operations will become impossible. >> for now, family and friends who have been waiting for joe are their loved ones are alive. >> when you think about such a problem set when the outcomes could have been far worse and to have such a miracle story, i don't see how you couldn't be believing in humanity. >> for now rescue teams continue to pump out water from the caves to keep the boys alive and to keep hope alive that this miracle story ends up well. >> jon: greg palkot, thanks. a former i.t. aid to congressional d...