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You can do. on the ka do side, the criticism been, it's too expensive, what you want to do. it's scary. you want to do too much, too much big government, i don't want an equal opposite to trump. i don't want to go from rapid right to radical left. >> this is not about doing that. i just think you've got the wrong frame about this. look, think of it this way. a budget, most people are like, oh, it's all numbers, please, too hard to understand or too boring. >> true, true. >> it's not at all. it's a statement of our values. so, here it is. two cents. we can leave, at two cents, on the great fort...

That he's facing in terms of the charges against him and willing to engage in such a reckless act as to try to compound his problems. it also says to me that he must not be certain that he's going to get a pardon after all, and maybe he hears the president diminish his role in the campaign. well, he was there for a short time. and maybe he's taking that to mean the president is going to want to be arms length. but at the same time you've got the president sending completely different signals that he can pardon anybody he wants. he can pardon himself. there's no limit to the mischief he can com...

Not digging in more at the executive orders, that he was angry for writing a part for himself in the nqc in. >> i know somebody is leaking this out and that the knives are out on every o side so you have people whispering he's mad at reince priebus for sean spicer being portrayed by a woman. you know where this ends, don't you? back at the white house with david gergen. >> the president's wife got thrown under the bus the first night. as the news was breaking, my phone was buzzing when i was trying to get 45 minutes of sleep. what blew up is they started blaming the candidate's wife for the sp...

Actually transpire in one. so he might be on target for his first shake-up. i know that he is reaching out to people who have experience in previous administrations. i'm not sure how some of those calls are being received because people watch the news. they see what's happening and people who have worked for actual presidents can't tell if he's serious about any of. >> do you believe the reports that the president was angered with reince priebus for the chain of command structure, for not digging in more at the executive orders, that he was angry for writing a part for himself in the nqc in. >...

Right. but having said that, i do find it interesting that it's always republicans who are obstinate for wanting to rein in spending and every democrat for not wanting to rein in spending. it's the republicans that stick to their guns who are the stubborn once aes and not the o side. >> here's the game and i know it and everybody needs to understand the game. the republicans and the democrats sit down to negotiate. the democrats say to the republicans, give us everything we want or we are going to have a shutdown and you're going to be blamed for it. the republicans go into a panic over this. ...