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Anybody. they can announce results -- any results they want. and there is no way anyone can check what they -- they have done. do you trust that mastriano isn't about overturning anything? >> well, of course. they would -- they would love to. recall, mastriano and the others put on that snake-handling demonstration in the ballroom in gettysburg, late, in 2020 trying to evoverturn the election results. i mean, this is what they do. this is all they know and this is all they have to run on. and currying the former president's favor is their only play to be electorally viable, nowadays in the rep...

Know, what comes around, goes around. but i think, where we are right now. when we are dealing whether or not we remain a democracy. look. what republicans are trying to do, now, all over this country is stack the deck. to make it harder for people who will vote democratic to vote. and what that means is that it is going to be very hard to have a democratic senate. to have a democratic house. and, i think, when you are talking about fighting for basic-american democracy, you got to do what you got to do. >> senator sanders. >> and right now, that means, if we have no-republican support, doing ...

How do you read that? >> yeah, he didn't. though, of course, on capitol hill several times he said i don't want to get rid of the filibuster. basically, stop asking me that question. but pointing to, several times, saying this 60-vote threshold. is that something that you are never, ever going to support changing? and you are right, he would not commit to that. which i do think is notable. but, of course, his comments, essentially, offering a warning about what happens if they do change it, do stand. and you saw senator sanders there, basically, acknowledging it. but saying that they do feel, ...