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>> and that was my next question. do you think this plays into the narrative that republicans say you're an obstructing this -- the democrats are obstructing this? >> no, i think a reasonable person looking at this in an objective fashion should say, we should put a pause on the whole process independent from the document problem based upon the fact he should not be able to pick his own lawyer. it's something that really undermines the entire system we have a president who's the subject of a criminal investigation. >> this is all happening about new questions of the president sitting down with...

The democrats are obstructing this? >> no, i think a reasonable person looking at this in an objective fashion should say, we should put a pause on the whole process independent from the document problem based upon the fact he should not be able to pick his own lawyer. it's something that really undermines the entire system we have a president who's the subject of a criminal investigation. >> this is all happening about new questions of the president sitting down with the special counsel. and sources telling cnn mueller threatened subpoena the president back in march. should that scenario be a...