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>> and kaitlan, lastly, there is a lot on the plate of congress that the president will have to agree to whether it is raising the debt spending or bills or beyond any ambitious agenda with infrastructure or immigration, is the president saying he's not going to deal with congress on anything. >> reporter: he said he will not deal with them until the investigations are over. but what we've seen play out is the white house pushing back against the subpoenas, these request for testimony, for document production and those are things that could play out in the courts until long after the next elec...

I mean, the pressure. >> yeah, well at least they kind of know what the judge is going to say to them. >> yes. >> since they've already seen the transcript of the previous proceedings. >> yeah. >> this is probably going to mirror it in many ways. >> yeah. i mean, it's going to be -- it's going it be fascinating to see. this is really, what we know is in the document production deutsche bank prepared before it was blocked by this lawsuit. it's -- it's the stuff that the president least wants out in in the world. >> well, we're lucky enough to have professor tribe with us tonight. >> great. >> p...

Wait a few minutes and hear harvard lawyer professor laurence tribe talk about the arguments we've already heard in the case that the president lost and in the case that the president is probably going to lose tomorrow. >> i mean, yeah, it's -- it's so interesting to me that the lawsuits were almost twins. were almost filed like carbon copies of each other but there's different laws -- there's different lawyers arguing the two lawsuits. obviously, there are two different jurisdictions and what does it mean, what does the pressure got to be for the president's lawyers who are going to be arguin...

I think the cohen documents, something like 800 pages, shows you there's a lot more that we don't know about yet that's still to come. they even moved location data to pinpoint his location. if they were doing that with michael cohen back to 2017, who else were they scrutinizing at that level. >> i just talked to congressman gomez about back and forth in the white house and house in terms of document production, you wonder if the refusal to hand over documents is a trial run, the warm up for what is to come. >> i think the white house is seeing what they can get away with. and i think there we...

Many vinyls under investigation, so many process serve that we barely flinch when we hear about these kinds of things. i think the cohen documents, something like 800 pages, shows you there's a lot more that we don't know about yet that's still to come. they even moved location data to pinpoint his location. if they were doing that with michael cohen back to 2017, who else were they scrutinizing at that level. >> i just talked to congressman gomez about thback and forth in the white house and house in terms of document production, you wonder if the refusal to hand over documents is a trial run...