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Left with this kind of unusual circumstance. and it's going to be an interesting story to see how it plays out going forward. >> this would be unusual and would have that almost backwards dynamic you're describing even if the deputy attorney general was not himself directly personally a player in the obstruction of justice matter that is being investigated here. rod rosenstein of course played a key role in at least the public explanation what happen in the firing of james comey. is it possible robert mueller in investigating that matter and requiring documents from the justice department arou...

Done. i do like the idea that we are elevating this discussion. we are actually coming to a consensus that this is never, ever acceptable and people need to pay a price. >> melissa: people thought they could bully their way into keeping a quiet and of the people quiet, people would not come forward. >> kennedy: feminist defended bill clinton for two decades. they knew and admitted what he did, and they defended him. it was not just about keeping it quiet, they openly defended him and said it was fine. >> jason: and hillary clinton is big and empowering and covering her husband. >> kennedy: he ...

Because he said i did not conclude with the russian story, nor did i know anyone that did. that would include don junior. he would say the communication don junior had with wikileaks or with the russians didn't constitute collusion. that's how the defense will shape up from that standpoint. >> all of that technical wording, you don't see legal trouble for jared kushner. >> no. to make a perjury count or obstruction of justice count, you would have to show intentional act to deceive congress and this is close enough to the line it would be a hard criminal charge to prove. >> yet both leaders of...

He was actually suggesting that he had a message he wanted to carry to trump from putin, and jared kushner's lawyer just now put out a statement about this so we know that kushner responded, according to his lawyer, pass on this. a lot of people come claiming to carry messages. very few we're able to verify. for now i think we decline such meetings. but, chris, we know that this same man told bloomberg news that he had dinner with donald trump jr. around the same time at a meeting on the sidelines of a national rifle association conference. so this is another example of a senior high-level rus...

Attorney says that the wikileaks is a gotcha question, he adds in over six hours of voluntary testimony, mr. kushner answered all questions put to him and demonstrated that there had been no collusion between the campaign and russia. and lowell also says that kushner complied with the document request. they should ask other congressional committees for the transcripts of their kushner interviews and that they should ask the white house for additional documents. don. >> evan perez, thank you so much. i want to bring in now cnn national analysis. good evening one and all, we learned tonight that...