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And either hang this jury or all 12 of you acquit him. but this was pretty foregone, paul, that this guy was not going to be able to testify, and there was no defense to the documentary case. >> and as we watched this, important to note for anybody watching who hasn't tracked it on a daily basis, these charges have to do with paul manafort's work before he joined the trump campaign, before 2016. however, there has been some suggestion he tried to use his influence in the trump campaign to get a bank loan, to maybe promise jobs to people who were helping him get what the government says are fra...

Your legal opinion? >> if he is convicted in this case, he -- it looks like he would go -- i mean, it's hard to gauge what the sentence would be, but he would likely go to jail. and i'm still digging through the indictment to try to figure out what the evidence is against him. but it looks like it's a good documentary case. i know you've been talking a lot about the paul manafort case and how that's a lot of documentary evidence. this one has a lot of phone records, text messages, very close in time to trades. and in insider trading cases, it doesn't even almost matter who the witnesses are, t...

Friends and people who also have money spend money and turn them into criminals because they are friends with paul manafort. i was reading with the judge was saying, i just wondered what this does to the prosecution and to mueller's investigation. the other thing that rick gates is not going to testify, what does that mean? >> that might be in no way bad news for the defense, the defense's theory all along has been to simply attack the credibility of rick gates, make it a he said/he said case, saying that rick gates was making stuff up to cut a plea deal. if the prosecution is confident enough...

Cohen of tampering with the tape and we have discussed that earlier. so it makes sense for him. but for manafort, and i'm not an of his conversation with attorney, but the facts seem president trump. their relationship souring even very stacked against him. more now that their legal teams so i think he's a goner in this case. i mean, this is a documentary are officially servivering ties case. i think he's in trouble. and shutdown dejavu. >> it's not a pr strategy. the president threatens to shut this is a defense strategy. down the government if congress you're going to spend a lot of time a...