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People who took the fifth amendment or fled the country. we still had a number of indictments because we got bank records, phone records and other documentary records. so i think people should not read too much into that. for bannon or mark meadows, as buck said, why believe them anyway? i would rather have their texts from that time. and at the other end of that text is another person who may be cooperating. and you even have mark meadows lying basically, it appears, about what he wrote in his book because donald trump is upset with it. so he is dealing with the audience of one that he has al...

Their opponent. that's important, stephanie. zblal wi stay with us, ken, i want to bring in seth lassman. senator chuck grassley, a republican, leads this committee saying he wanted to release this saying this thing is a nothing burger. when i look at the senators in the room for the majority of this, they're democrats. why release this now? what's going on here? >> i think they're trying to continue their narrative that this is a nothing burger just as you put it there there's no collusion or conspiracy between the russians and the trump campaign on the other. but as we all know, bob mueller ...