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Birth shown by his campaign in 2008 which has the seal of -- the raised seal of the state, it's signed off on, you know, there's plenty of evidence that he is. how can you say that there's not? >> well, a certificate of live birth is different than a long form birth certificate. and that's what intended by the documentation process. >> but a certificate of live birth is good enough to get a passport. it's what citizens of hawaii can use to identify themselves. >> if it's good enough for the u.s. passport office, that's one thing. but i'm more concerned about good enough for the state of montan...

Be getting wrong in his opinion. but first, my conversation with bob wagonner. do you believe that president obama is a citizen of the united states? >> well, i don't really -- i'm not really qualified to say whether i believe he is or not. it's irrelevant to me. >> what do you mean you're not qualified to say whether he is or not? >> there's been no proof offered, and as far as belief, it doesn't matter what i believe. >> how can you say there's no proof offered. there's the certificate of live birth shown by his campaign in 2008 which has the seal of -- the raised seal of the state, it's sig...