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President is saying, kind of the truth of the marty of what wett we've been discussing? >> it's clear just because they say stone came off the payrolls in august of 2015 didn't mean he didn't stay on as an adviser and he wasn't in close contact with the president. paragraph 21, i know we're reading behind papers a lot today, this gets into what exactly roger stone lied about to the house committee. this really flies in the face of what his lawyer is saying when he tried to say that what he didn't -- what he withheld was not material. it said stone made deliberately false and misleading stateme...

Based on what you know that robert mueller and his team would be putting pressure on roger stone to do just that? >> absolutely. no question about it. first of all back to the search warrant point. it does explain why they went and arrested him at 6:00 a.m. that comes across much better. the point is you can either subpoena documents or you can issue a search warrant. search warrant is where you have a reasonable fear that things may be compromised, removed, destroyed, et cetera. consequently, they wanted to arrest the defendant. this is shoptalk, but hear me out, so there can't be any immedia...

He met with them and told them a lot. >> i want to play a little bit from savannah guthrie's interview with roger stone on the "today" show a little while back. >> it isn't complete, correct? >> i know what's in my e-mails. i know what the context of my phone calls are. i believe i was under surveillance for some period. >> here's the thing. mueller has text messages. documents and records. including some records that show that roger stone was literally evoking the godfather, right, in order to tell people not to tell the truth to congress. to tell some of his associates this. he threatened to...

Between wikileaks and the russian government in their coordination to get those e-mails from the democratic national committee that would be so damaging to hillary clinton. i want to dig into that statement from roger stone's attorney that you read earlier. where he says all of the things he lied about were immaterial to the spoke of the investigation. first saying he wasn't lying and he just didn't recall it. the things he didn't recall were immaterial. now that we can see exactly what robert mueller's team was trying to get into and how he's connecting these dots, it's very hard to say that'...

Documents to the house committee, and that was a lie, and here are all the documents that, in fact, you did have. so when the time comes for the mueller team to sit down with roger stone and his lawyer, because now that he's been arrested, he has a lawyer. nobody will talk to him without a lawyer. they probably haven't been doing that for a while, but when they sit down with roger and his lawyer, they almost lay it out. just like you put a big white board. you said this, and that was a lie. and here's the document number one, here's document number two. and in an effort to get him to testify a...