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You try to avoid that subject because you're always going to have an argument with someone over it. so most of the coal miners that i spoke to are angry about the way that they feel they've been demonised in some of the discussion around climate, and that has contributed to a sort of us against them mentality in these communities where climate activists are seen as the enemy and they're really angry about the idea that people are telling them how to live their lives. we understand that coal- is what drives the world right now, but it's time to actually start moving away from it. . and there ar...

Earlier this year, film—maker jamal 0sman gained unprecedented access to the group, which is suspicious of dialogue with western media. i think the main thing al—shabab look at is can they trust this journalist? and when i say trust, what i mean is, is thisjournalist going to set us traps? is this journalist going to give out information to western spies? and if they know you are a very strict journalist and they tend to trustjournalists who stick to their professions, it's not easy, it takes years of building relationship and trust, and it doesn't always work, but on this occasion they sa...

I think the main thing al—shabab look at is can they trust this journalist? and when i say trust, what i mean is, is this journalist going to set us traps? is this journalist going to give out information to western spies? and if they know you are a very strict journalist and they tend to trustjournalists who stick to their professions, it's not easy, it takes years of building relationship and trust, and it doesn't always work, but on this occasion they said, yeah, you can, you can come and talk to us. 0sman secured an interview with one of the group's senior leaders, calmly interrogating t...

To give out information to western spies? and if they know you are a very strict journalist and they tend to trustjournalists who stick to their professions, it's not easy, it takes years of building relationship and trust, and it doesn't always work, but on this occasion they said, yeah, you can, you can come and talk to us. usman secured an interview with one of the group's senior leaders, calmly interrogating the man with a $5 million bounty on his head. he obviously talks to al—shabab media wing but he has never spoken to any media, local or otherwise.

About the way that they feel they've been demonised in some of the discussion around climate, and that has contributed to a sort of us against them mentality in these communities where climate activists are seen as the enemy and they're really angry about the idea that people are telling them how to live their lives. we understand that coal- is what drives the world right now, but it's time to actually start moving away from it. . and there are definitely more like options out . there that don't need to be so, like, destructive. - despite regular face—offs between coal miners and climate act...