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Taking place in kosovo or syria or rwanda in the short term. but our long-term national security will be impacted in a profound way and our humanity is impacted in a profound way. i think it's important for us to get out of the habit in those circumstances -- i'm not talking about circumstances where our national security is directly impacted and we have been attacked and the president has to act quickly -- but in circumstances like i described, it's important for to us get out of the habit of saying we'll let the president stretch the boundaries of his authority as far as he can. congress wil...

And this is very serious and i think it is a little bit, kind of gets me frustrated when the attorney general says he is proxy for this president for attacks. this president, has done plenty on his own for us to attack him on. this is about the attorney general. this is about the department of justice. this is about the politics in the department of justice. more importantly this is what the attorney general didn't know and what he knew and when he knew it and what he isn't telling us. jon: chip, you worked for mike huckabee, chief executive of arkansas and presidential candidate himself. does...

That sloalone should result in firing of the director. >> they're holding an internal investigation. is that enough or do there need to be multiple congressional oversight investigations? >> the congress am investigations are just a lot of hot hair. there was a hearing held after the a lsaleh heyla salahis. you need to remove the director, bring in someone who will shake it up, someone not aligned with any interests within the agency such as occurred with bob muller. that's the way you improve the agency. you don't do it with congressional hearings, most of the time these congressmen don't eve...

What is needed is replacement of mark sullivan who has tolerated this culture of cutting corners. >> doesn't a full investigation need it to be conducted an concluded before coming out so hard and fast with condemnation like you're saying? >> no. certainly an investigation is needed to get every detail before these agents are fired, which they will be, but the secret service knew enough to say that misconduct was involved. and to withdraw them which is unprecedenteded. and that combined with the intrusion by the salahis where the uniformed officers of the secret service consciously ignoreded t...

Clear. >> what happened here in colombia is being investigated by the director of the secret service. i expect that investigation to be thorough and i expect to be rigorous. if it turns out take some of the allegations that have been made in the press are confirmed, then of course i'll be angry. >> ripple effects from the alleged incident have made hair way to washington, d.c. where republicans are wearing the possibility of house hearings. >> the question is the whole organization in need of some soul searching, some changes, before the president, the vice president, members of the cabinet ar...