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The law. but do you need to bring that gun to a, you know, an environment where there potentially is violence? at the very least, you know, high stress and demonstrations. is that really a good -- that just doesn't seem like a wise idea, particularly if you are somebody who is 17 years old and has had no experience in this kind evof a circumstance. >> that was the key what the prosecutor was saying which is that if you were there to guard businesses, why did you now walk down the middle of the street carrying an ar-15? and his response to that, which unfortunately was sort of hyped in the clos...

Unfortunate message that -- of vindication that making a hero of -- of kyle rittenhouse is appalling. but the actual verdict in this courtroom, based on this evidence, is a defensible one i think. >> sara sidner's -- i mean, you heard sara sidner's report. the jury returned a full verdict today. i mean, the whole argument of his -- which seems to be the prosecution' argument, which was by his very being there, he was provoking things. and therefore, the -- the self-defense doesn't apply. but clearly, the jury said they didn't buy that. >> and -- and there were problems with the prosecution the...

Um, the -- the -- the unfortunate message that -- of vindication that making a hero of -- of kyle rittenhouse is appalling. but the actual verdict in this courtroom, based on this evidence, is a defensible one i think. >> sara sidner's -- i mean, you heard sara sidner's report. the jury returned a full verdict today. i mean, the whole argument of his -- which seems to be the prosecution' argument, which was by his very being there, he was provoking things. and therefore, the -- the self-defense doesn't apply. but clearly, the jury said they didn't buy that. >> and -- and there were problems wi...

I just can't imagine that under the constitutional structure that we have where congress and the sitting executive agree that there's no separation of powers, that the white house says executive privilege doesn't apply, that these documents don't get released sooner than later. >> big picture, it just strikes me that all these arguments, all these delays we've been dealing with for years in multiple investigations, and it doesn't seem that at least with the former president there are any legal consequences. i wonlder in your experience, going back to watergate, have we found that the system ca...

To block them from getting his records, claiming executive privilege to keep the records secret. and senators bernie sanders and joe manchin meeting today to work out their differences. sanders says he hopes for positive action in the next week. let's bring in john harwood and senior legal and last laura coates. good to see both of you. john, the committee is releasing information on steve bannon, who is refusing to comply with the subpoena. what are you learning here? >> steve bannon is playing a lot of games to try to avoid testifying. steve bannon was not an employee of the white house here...