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Tony, the juxtaposition is hard to understand. they are going to pitch the idea low in come kids, smart ones should be given better access to top universities. why don't they support school vouchers programs? >> the premise for the president, and i agree with him, educator is the great liberator, equalizer for people who want growth and opportunity in their life. when does this start? the earlier the better. these vouchers help kids get into primary schools and a better education and better college. >> the reason the administration doesn't back that is because of the teachers union. did you se...

Is the wall. it's never changed or evolved from the first day. it was never intended to be built in areas where there's natural protection such as mountains, waeft lands, tough rivers or water. the wall will be paid for either directly or indirectly or through longer term reimbursement by mexico. then he goes on to talk about nafta. david, what's the plus-minus on this disconnect? >> it's so strange. to have a president and a chief of staff publicly so disconnected. when i think kelly is channelling trump in some ways to say, look, he wants to get to a place of getting a book comprehensive dea...

On trade deals. right now germany puts a 19% tax on an american car that get shipped to germany. china does that to ensure production in china. nafta was supposed to make a mexican middle class. mexicans make $2.97 an hour. i don't think donald trump is necessarily a hater, i think he's a businessman. tell me why i should vote for him when his own union doesn't back him, and his own party doesn't back him on trade but he's willing to speak the truth? >> i can't tell you because what he says -- i don't know what he'll do. but what he says is that nafta was wrong. that's correct, it was wrong. t...