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I admit she's a friend, but she would also be an extraordinary leader for our caucus, for our party, for the house of representatives, and for our country at this incredibly contentious time. >> doesn't fudge check all the boxes pelosi does? >> no, absolutely not. she is someone -- first of all, she's a woman of color from the midwest. she's someone who understands the economic challenges so many americans face today. she is someone who is in touch with a broad swath of the american people. she is someone who is very, very wise, who people throughout our caucus go to for advice, and she's some...

There have been studies that have examined a billion votes. what's going on here? let's take it to the debateers. jennifer grant home and rick santorum. brother santorum, do you know from whence the president is deriving this wisdom about the people walking in circles with the changed hats and shirts? >> i do not, but that doesn't mean it's never happened. i'm sure it has happened. >> why are you sure it has happened? >> look, the bottom line is people do commit voter fraud. i mean, people commit fraud on a variety of different things. people lie, cheat and steel every day. if you don't think ...

And this is a problem, this is a question, it's a legitimate question. if you're someone who is not basing your rights and wrongs on the bible, where does it come from? that's really what he's saying. you know -- >> morals and ethics, precedence? law? >> let's better define what that is instead of just saying it's not this. that's what we get from a lot of people. to me it's fair game. >> all right. jen, last word. >> this man has been under investigation. is currently under investigation by the d.o.j., by the ftc. he is, you know, what you played is absolutely accurate. and, of course, he's o...

She's an incredible leader. when i got to congress, i said, i need a mentor in congress and so i asked around. i asked around for a while. and the name that kept coming up as someone who is smart, wise, who understands this institution and will take someone under her wing is marcia fudge. so i asked her to be my mentor. she became my mentor. i admit she's a friend, but she would also be an extraordinary leader for our caucus, for our party, for the house of representatives, and for our country at this incredibly contentious time. >> doesn't fudge check all the boxes pelosi does? >> no, absolut...

President has wrongly over exaggerated this problem. but that doesn't minimize the fact that there is a problem. it's a serious issue and it is one that -- look -- >> voter fraud is not a serious issue. integrity in our elections is a serious issue. >> having laws in place to make sure fraud is minimized is an important thing. that's what republicans have tried to do in this country for a long time. if we have those laws in place, you're putting sunglasses on and a hat, you can't vote again. you have to show an i.d. >> him saying that things happen when they don't happen -- jennifer, that is t...