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Cases of the debt ceiling votes, which is something that's been talked about by progressives for the past few weeks. >> susan, page i'm tempted to say that our elected representatives, govern like drunks, except i don't want to offend or insults any drugs you may be watching. congress before you know it has put off a lot of business to around about december. i'm happy claire is smiling. sooner or later, there's going to be quite an agenda waiting for them. >> that's right. by the way do not -- tickets for christmas travel. we are going to be here, this is going to be the front of the biden pre...

And that's the reason that when speaker pelosi is using her power and her leverage, it's because she knows that the american public understands this, and the longer that that is held open, then the more pressure there is on mitch mcconnell to set the rules straight, whether he's going to play by them or not, americans know that we need to call witnesses. >> congressman swalwell, nancy pelosi doesn't blink, but neither does mitch mcconnell. how do you think this ends? >> well, again, the american people happen to be on the side of speaker pelosi. that's the great leverage that she has here. of ...

>> has the president or anyone at the white house ever asked or suggested that you open an investigation of anyone? yes or no, please, sir? >> um, the president or anybody else. >> seems you'd remember something like that and be able to tell us. >> yeah. but i'm trying to grapple with the word "suggest." there have been discussions of matters out there that they have not open an investigation. >> perhaps they have suggested? >> i don't know. i wouldn't say suggest. >> hinted? >> i don't know. >> inferred? you don't know, okay. >> so, julia, what's remarkable about that is that barr doesn't bli...

The person who doesn't blink at putting prisoners in prison in their own territories and tearing down christian churches. why should he be considerate of people in hong kong. china is going to win in the sense of getting this amendment. but the question is at what price? these people aren't going quietly. >> julie: i want to talk about trade. president trump said he's holding a trade deal. he has no interest in moving forward unless china comes forward with four to five major points that they reneged on. what are those points? and in the end, what of this deal that the president is looking to ...

Back to the story we were talking about, jesse and juan had a chance to talk about kanye west meeting in the oval office and reaction to it. greg and jedediah hadn't had a chance. sgg good news about the pastor, when you have a president who doesn't blink. they knew he wasn't going to change his mind. >> dana: and the economy is in a free fall. greg: i want to address the central argument that lemon and others have, when you describe somebody as a minstrel or a prop. i've learned in my life, any criticism that can be applied everywhere is useless. it's pointless. for example, i could just as...