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Terrorism play because both parties have no honor except for when they are forced into it and that is pathetic. >> and we have not put enough pressure on them this that rega regard. so we can't just say -- we have to take and i just -- on the lgbt thing, i have a very different perspective on that. if you look at virginia, north carolina, ohio, support for marriage equality is in the 30%. so it wasn't, i mean, i think it was a very tough thing to do politically. >> fair enough. >> definitely risky -- >> i'm dplad he did it, but he didn't change the policy in those states. i think the point dyl...

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