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Doesn't try to defend it. no republican tries to defend this. victoria points out, instead, they're using all these counterstrategies and conspiracies. not going to work, i think, this time because the american people can understand, when the president himself admits what he did, that's the focus and that's an impeachable offense. >> victoria, the president tweeted not too long ago -- he was firing back at mitt romney -- is that a message for, in addition to romney, other republican senators here, too? >> it's a message to other republican senators and democrats who are in red or swing distric...

About investigating their political opponents and rewriting the story of what happened in 2016. and it's incredibly blatant. and you know, so -- and this is what happens in a lot of regimes, you know, people who are experts on authoritarians and oligarchs point this out, that there's sort of this history around the world of people saying, i'm going after corruption and, really, they're going after their opponents and they're consolidating power. so, it's really a dangerous tool to be able to say you're going after corruption, and it's really important that we look at what they're actually sayi...

Relied on the largess of its patrons, whether the u.s. recently, russia, and before that, the soviet union. and the second reason is that this country has long suffered from corruption. it's one of the biggest problems here. this should be a rich country. it has many natural resources and it's in a very strategic location. so, even though from american perspective, this looks as though president zelensky of ukraine and the prosecutor's office are actually capitulating to donald trump's demands and what may be the subject of this impeachment inquiry, for ukrainians, it looks like the first step...

What you get is there is a group of voters, some of which like what he's doing policy-wise, particularly on the economic, but don't like his persona and they put a priority on that. and there's some that put a priority -- they don't like his persona but they like what he's doing policy-wise and they put a priority there and that's where you get the split. paul: so what that suggests is that the economy is not going to be the dominant issue in the election and even if it continues to be quite strong, some of the president's character issues are going to come to the fore. >> well, that certainly...

>> let's use one of the president's statements, let's see what happens. at the end of the day, like i said, i'm not going to keep repeating myself. she's doing the best she can given the information she is has. the details and the things going on underneath that the press doesn't like possibly. but macro things are going quite well, including the polling points. he's up a couple of points. you have the economy humming along. north korea situation. he's about to tackle the iranian situation. the average american who doesn't focus on this as much as you and