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>> well, you can't commit a crime. i mean by asking another country essentially to interfere in elections is a violation of our election laws. you know, there is executive privilege, but it doesn't go beyond the criminal threshold, it just doesn't. >> bob, i want to ask you real quickly because we had matthew chance on earlier from the ukraine and he reported that officials there are, quote, mortified that they have been dragged into this. what is at stake beyond what's happening here in the u.s. between the u.s. and the ukrainian relationship? >> well, the ukrainians have always wondered what...

There are so many wow moments of the trump presidency i would venture to say this is, even if it doesn't go beyond the four corners, just the theater and the implications of actually hearing from robert mueller and seeing him questioned under oath, probably one of the biggest moments so far. >> here we go. >> here comes robert mueller, former fbi director, special counsel. somebody that democrats have been trying to get to this hearing room for months and months and months. finally mueller made it straer clear they would have subpoena him if they wanted him to come before the hearing, and he i...

I think both sides have something to be gained by his appearance. >> bret: that's why we are hearing that this potentially could backfire. >> i agree on this point, if mueller sticks to what he said in his press conference and doesn't go beyond the four corners of his report, both sides will be disappointed because he will refuse to say that trump obstructed justice and he will refuse to answer questions about peter strzok and lisa page. if there isn't news value to it which might help some cable networks which i'm all for but where it leads is unknown. >> bret: it will be a political super bo...

Can be in the form of the victim but everyone is seeing it as i am the that's going to save -- the spartacus moment and it's ridiculous. the consequences in their mind doesn't go beyond how many legs am i going to get our house are going to be amplified which is when the media comes in. for him, i see this is another hollywood celebrity with an enormous hubris that's now facing real-world consequent this. see seven and he deserves to face real-world consequences, if it's true. >> greg: i think he is still innocent. c7 up next, trivia time. we are going to put our knowledge to the test with fox...

Them at risk. we need to make you are the north koreans understand we have that capability. i think secretary mattis' statement is about where we need to be. any threat would trigger this massive retaliation. but careful to indicate that we're not looking for a war with north korea. we are looking for some diplomatic strategy that works. but we have to make sure when we do that. i think recognizing as a nuclear power, a nuclear weapons power is the first step. but we have to make sure it doesn't go beyond that and we end up in a position where the north koreans start dictating our policy in th...