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Think. certainly as you're alluding to, a lot of democrats around the country are saying that i.c.e., immigration customs enforcement agency should be abolished. beto o'rourke doesn't go there but he does say there should be reforms to the agency. you also hit on something interesting that goes beyond the issue of immigration which is the tone and tenor of this debate. one of the reasons beto o'rourke has become a national figure and has gotten record-setting fund-raising hauls especially last quarter, $38 million from all over the country is because he presents himself as a different kind of ...

>> america. >> good, one more time but louder with america. >> america. >> good. we say if you want to win you show some skin. okay, show it to me. now try to touch me. >> i'll touch you. i'll touch you with my buttocks. you drop the gun or i'll touch you. usa. >> so he did that because he was -- he was told it would scare terrorists. go on. you were saying. >> that and at the end he pretends to cut off the fake penis off the fake terrorist. my mind doesn't go there. i think you need to examine what's going on with that piece, right? because if you have something to

Cohen to all the people who have pled this sort of lack of love. >> you have a theory about why his attorneys waived privilege, is that correct. >> i do, don. it is extraordinary. these are the most sacred conversations you could have maybe with your priest, your b rabbi and many instances your attorney as well. my experience was that the government is getting ready -- there's one big exception. it's called the crime fraud exception. if i can depot in as the government and prove there was an ongoing crime that was being committed here, there is no privilege. and the only reason as a defense la...

Talk, he'll sit down with you. he wants to sit down with you, but he'll only talk about a few things. and so it's changed from week to week and month to month. so i frankly don't buy any of it. and also keep in mind, don, the whole -- >> what do you mean you don't buy any of that? what don't you buy? >> he's never going to sit down with this prosecutor under these circumstances and answer questions that could put him in jeopardy. >> so he's stalling? they're stalling? >> absolutely. if i was his lawyer i would say, mr. president, over my objection. you're not going to do it. you're not going t...

Is that correct. >> i do, don. it is extraordinary. these are the most sacred conversations you could have maybe with your priest, your rabbi and many instances your attorney as well. you're telling them exactly what you have done and why you've done it. the only reason in my experience was that the government is getting ready -- there's one big exception. it's called the crime fraud exception. if i can depot in as the government and prove there was an ongoing crime that was being committed here, there is no privilege. and the only reason as a defense lawyer, now, that i would waive this very,...