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Is, "i'm just asking questions, i just want to understand what different people think," but it risks pushing people towards these extremes that they otherwise wouldn't have been aware of. and i guess that taps in, doesn't it, to the fact there are two interesting questions here? one is, should these people even be on his podcast in the first place? but the second is, if they're going to be there, how does he handle what they say? now, batya from newsweek, i definitely want to ask you about that. before we do, though, here's a little of a post that joe rogan put on instagram a few days into thi...

Now that is the consensus of experts, because that is how science works. you float ideas, you question them, you try them, and then you change your mind about them. that is literally the definition of the scientific method. and that is what has been, under the definition of disinformation, literally, science has been sort of legislated out of social media. but isn't the point that there is information being shared via joe rogan's podcast, which he doesn't label or challenge in any way as not being backed up by the current evidence that's available? and that's not helpful, is it? what does that...

So there's no differentiation in streaming — why it's - hard to make money. so you make these exclusive deals with these really popular— podcasters who are only going to host their- content on your service. and because of that, you can command really high ad prices, _ and they're staking their future on all of that. _ so you get the money in return. but as you say, with that comes responsibilities. let's speak about that with marianna spring, bbc news's disinformation reporter, because, marianna, joe rogan has been accused of a range of things when it comes to covid misinformation. just gu...

And one worry is that people tuning into rogan's podcast — which is conversational, like you say, which is chatty, which they might find more accessible and more interesting than a lot of the accurate and slightly more boring information from scientists and trusted experts — they'll listen to it, and then they'll go and follow up. they'll google this anti—vax influencer, and so they quickly find themselves brought into more extreme worldviews. it's been the same when it's come to all kinds of different topics from kind of far—right influencers, so to speak, or those who have promoted i...

And tammy. i'm trying to- understand because we have evidence now that both nancy pelosi and we know all about peter schweitzer's book debuted number one on the new york times list. thirty one million dollars. the bidens makehe it moneyn in china t on top of the one point five billion dollar deal with the bank ofit china with zero experience. hunter so pelosi'sxp making mont and she's saying don't talk, shut up. if you'reou an athlete. and joe saying they just have different norms, i don't know.t maybe i'm just a little suspicious but it always s seems to come back to the money, doesn't it, ta...