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A white community goes into a black town... you're talking about back in the 1920s in the united states? yes, burned the town to the ground, hundreds of families lost their cash and their capital. it was a very middle—class, affluent african—american community. they were rising up from slavery, pursuing development. lost their capital. that has to be compensated for in the context of cash repayments and compensation. in the caribbean, we are looking at a different circumstance. we have the highest percentage of diabetes hypertensions in the world per capita — the result of these sugar pl...

They were enslaving. they were agricultural people, they were teachers, they were artisans, they were politicians — all kinds of people were scraped up in the slave trade and brought to the sugar plantations. they didn't consider the diversity of occupation and wealth at the time, so why should they be concerned about it today? it has always been a feature of the victimisation of the black community. all right, but how do you make the case now? look, here we are in barbados, it's a middle—income country, so it doesn't qualify for a lot of development aid. so, when you have somebody like ro...

Reparatory justice. it is for us, the descendants of the victim class. and all of us are victimised as a race. if you consider the slave trade, when the europeans went into africa to kidnap and to pillage the labour force of africa, they were not looking at the income distribution of the peoples they were enslaving. they were agricultural people, they were teachers, they were artisans, they were politicians — all kinds of people were scraped up in the slave trade and brought to the sugar plantations. they didn't consider the diversity of occupation and wealth at the time, so why should they ...

Absolutely. is she right? absolutely. listen, reparatoryjustice has always been about the gap between what the victims know and what the rest of the world is willing to admit. and there has been this schism between self—knowledge and public knowledge. however, the george floyd circumstance converged the two. the world saw for themselves what we have been seeing all along in our communities. but that has been taking place all over the world. we've seen it in south africa during the anti—apartheid struggle. the world did not really care about apartheid in south africa until the killing of yo...

We all know what we want, but there are different ways to conceptualise it, different ways to proceed. there are multiple roads leading to the roundabout. and we don't want necessarily to have everyone walking like sheep down a narrow path. we are a community of multiple experiences and diversities. in the us, for example, there's a very strong argument that says we want cash in hand as part of the repayment of the plunder of the african—american community. we have been plundered. we can demonstrate it — we've lost our land, we've lost our businesses, we've had personal victimisation. we w...