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Go and what we still need to figure out. >> okay, then i won't pepper you with questions on that. this could come into special counsel bob mueller's investigation. you used the word baroque. it would muddy the waters. it seems so heavy. >> well, we do think this is one of the things that mueller is looking at. the representative of the two -- theintermediary, for the two crown prince, george nader, we know is cooperating with them and providing information and involved in the seychelles thing as well. so, what does it all add up to? it's hard to say, mueller is way ahead of us. these things co...

National political reporter for the "washington post" and one of the authors of that blockbuster piece in the post today. robert, great to have you here. >> good to be with you. >> excellent. so this insight that we're getting into the mueller investigation is very rare because of course the mueller team doesn't leak. they're notoriously tight-lipped. but you now have people who are witnesses coming in and talking about the investigation. do you get the sense from people that you spoke with for this piece, that you guys reported on, that they see the mueller investigation as ramping up or ramp...

The "washington post" and one of the authors of that blockbuster piece in the post today. robert, great to have you here. >> good to be with you. >> excellent. so this insight that we're getting into the mueller investigation is very rare because of course the mueller team doesn't leak. they're notoriously tight-lipped. but you now have people who are witnesses coming in and talking about the investigation. do you get the sense from people that you spoke with for this piece, that you guys reported on, that they see the mueller investigation as ramping up or ramping down or can they tell? >> yo...

In. i don't think it was leaked by mueller. his team doesn't leak. but there is a question how this information got out there but now that the american people have seen these questions, and with the public interest surrounding this ka-- the case is difficult for the white house and the president to say we're not answering these questions. >> and we just put up -- >> it might be difficult but i don't think there is any way the president will answer these questions. >> you think they will refuse? >> i think -- he may well exercise a legal fight which i think he will probably lose. but if he lose...

Of the night and you realized this memo would be sufficient to get a special counsel assigned. you said it really was a personal diary. as if anyone at the fbi routinely sends his or her diary as you did to the chief of staff and the fbi's legal counsel. you say the guy you admire most of in government is good old james clapper. the guy who doesn't leak or surveil us wittingly. he's another liar and a leaker who like you hates donald trump. this bozo like you flatly denied leak the dossier. he even released a statement to the public that he assured the incoming president that neither he nor an...