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You've worked under and with these men and women for some time. is that an accurate appraisal? >> not at all. when i worked at the cia for seven years, i couldn't have told you what any of the people there, what their personal politics was all about. this is not about a person. this is about policy. you can disagree with what john brennan has to say, or you can disagree with the way he says it, but he has a right to say what he wants to say now that he's not in government. the u.s. government has a thick manual that gives examples of how you can lift somebody's security clearances. there are r...

Tried to cleanse themselves of the rohinja people. these and other countries journalists are jailed and executed for printing things that the leader doesn't like. that is why america is different. that is a tradition worth the fight. that is why we will continue to do our jobs at journalists. and that is your reality check. >> yes we will. john avlon, i appreciate that, thank you for that reality check this morning. >> so well said. just ahead the music world and beyond saying a little prayer this morning for aretha franklin. her friend and pastor is joining us, next. it was meant to be.

They resign in protest. in this case, she appears to say, you know, thank you, sir, may i have another? and on the mueller side of it, i cannot believe this interview with "the wall street journal," because the president is essentially dangling out there more and more evidence of, if not obstruction of justice, in this case, abuse of power, which was another impeachment article against someone like richard nixon. the president has the ability to control security clearances. that is almost universally acknowledged. but that doesn't mean that he cannot corruptly use that to abuse his power. in t...

The "times" for $1, and now the globe is in collusion with other papers on free press. prove it. i don't understand the tweet. i think the point is he's trying to say collusion. >> prove it is an interesting point. fake news -- what donald trump means by that is news that is unfavorable to him. >> we all know that. >> but we don't say it enough. and i think if each editorial would have taken a story that they wrote, and donald trump at one point called some aspect of it fake news and said this is not fake, this is real news that donald trump doesn't like. i think that message can't get hammere...

Welcome back. so, if my 12-year-old, mario, called someone a dog, he would not say it again in my presence. i guarantee you he would apologize. in fact, if he said most of the things that the president says about people he's threatened by or doesn't like, his cheeks would be glowing. that's because we teach our kids, we make our kids do right because it shows respect for people and respect matters. so don't defend president trump calling omarosa a dog. don't defend him calling anyone a dog, period. stop making it all okay, whatever trump says. fighting back is not automatically a virtue. m mam...