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When general john kelly was coming into the white house one of the things that was going to happen is that the leaking was going to stop. and the only thing that's happened to the leaking is it's gotten better and better and better. and we have even better, stronger leaked reporting by gabe sherman and others. >> oh yeah. this is -- this is going from ketchup bot toll a geyser. leaking all the time. it has to. lawrence, the main reason why and the reason we get the excellent reports as this piece is because you have people in the white house who recognize and one of the things that's been sort...

That it is indicative of the kind of self-image that he has not only of himself but of what the president should be able to do and that's why it's really imperative that the republicans in congress reign that in. that the part of the reason i mentioned on the state department, you know, standing up to some of these very foolish plans that they have, why the press has to hold him more accountable than it did during the campaign and why the people around him have to be the first line of defense against him doing something that could have serious repercussions. >> placing a lot of hope for the co...

That the part of the reason i mentioned on the state department, you know, standing up to some of these very foolish plans that they have, why the press has to hold him more accountable than it did during the campaign and why the people around him have to be the first line of defense against him doing something that could have serious repercussions. >> placing a lot of hope for the country in the wisdom of the people who surround him. >> well, it's not -- we don't have much else to place it on right now. he is somebody who doesn't listen and pursues his own interest as he perceives them, and i...

He deliberately got involved on behalf of his son. this is illustrative of why you don't put family businesses in the white house. in the military we don't put family members in the same units for the same reasons. it clouds your judgment and makes you choose between family and your country. so we don't do those things. i think what it will ultimately lead to, though, is why did he move forward, particularly in this instance, and try and change the narrative around this incident? does he know about the meeting from beforehand. he claims he didn't. maybe he did. how many other times has this ha...

Jared kushner and ivanka trump who had run their own parallel line to the president. they are said to be embracing this new process and going along with it. >> you don't have just instant open door access to the oval office. >> not only is it not open door access. it used to be that people would wander by the ante area of the office and catch people's eyes and he would say come on in. that door is closed. there isn't this free flow you saw before. this is about also about paper flow to and from the president. this is about news articles he gets, memos about policy, making sure stakeholders hav...