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Participation has been a complete learning experience for them. and they've really had a realization through all of this. >> how did you come to believe your client's story? >> number one, i wanted to just put it out there that >> obviously that starts with cooperating with your attorney and we walked through the actual time line and pieced everything together and that took me a lot of time ourselves. my own law firm doing our own private investigation, we were able to fish it out, if you will and tell the commander, there's something that doesn't match with the narrative that was put out by m...

Going on. he set up a situation where this is on the issue on which he will be judged on, period. whey heard in his comments is setting out the potential for an either or. does he accept this deal or declare a national emergency? he sounds like we will say okay, fine. we will take this and i will finish the job doing this. at the same time as is often the case, his rhetoric doesn't match what he is saying he wants to do. we have seen him switch from finish the wall and build the wall and he is using them interchangeably. it could be headed in a direction where he take this is and said i will t...

Most pressing threats facing the country. so what we have is they fulfilled that duty, they give their best assessment. sometimes assessments change from time to time, so this is their best assessment and analysis of the major threats that are facing the country. and unfortunately for the president this doesn't match up with his political rhetoric. my take is that's what he got upset by. he was upset by the fact that he saw reporters accurately over the 24 hours after the hearing drew the contrasts between what was in the written and oral testimony versus what he says publicly are national sec...

But, no, kim jong-un is never going to give up his nuclear weapons probably because he's not suicidal. it doesn't matter what you offer someone, there's no amount of money that's going to make someone suicidal if they're not already suicidal. so, we're facing this dissidence, where we have this stated north korea policy that doesn't match the intel, it doesn't match the reality. that's an unresolvable problem. but at least now we have sort of a public accounting by our intelligence community of what the real analysis is. >> we also have that on isis and exactly where they are, given the withdr...

There are thousands left. the point is simple. if the narrative doesn't match the president who wants to say we're winning, he makes something up. it's not complicated. >> if the president wants to keep the country safe -- and he does -- how does he do that and reject what the intelligence community -- the assessments he is receiving? >> he has the general problem of creating a lack of faith between himself and the intelligence agencies that he commands and the american public count on. as phil said, all those particular mismatches between the information that he says and what his chiefs say. ...