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Not senator durbin. >> do you think if senator mcconnell took reconciliation off the table and allowed it to be, you know, force the 60 vote, do you think you would have more democrats that would be willing to work with you? >> that political article that was written a couple weeks ago in which it basically quotes chuck schumer saying that he was going to keep everybody in line, debbie stab now saying every time i wanted to do the right thing, i was told don't do scenario, someone else saying i couldn't speak with republicans unless given perms. again, i'm frustrated by that. this should be an...

Attempt to amy to the base and the moderates in the party but not going anywhere. >> what do you say, ruth. >> it's not over until it's over. i never underestimate mitch mcconnell. and you know you're playing with very small margins. but that also means you can -- you need to get very small numbers. so you only need to be able to count to 50. it is not looking good. i find it incredible and not normal at all that we're talking about an amendment from senator cassidy that i don't understand thap i don't understand. i haven't seen in writing, that would really remarkably change the contours of t...

Had -- was from russia, right? >> sure. >> neil: and one from russia was going to talk to them about dirt or information on hillary clinton, that, whatever the legalities, you're the lawyer, i'm not, that doesn't pass is this right to do test. >> sure. that's a different question. it's certainly not a crime to have a meeting with a russian official or -- >> neil: would you do it? >> or meet with a russian. you know, if i were in the middle of a political campaign, the optics would tell me, don't do it. but it was done and it's not a crime. i do think you're right to point out that if it's true...

Happens. if they're having if unexpected, as senator toomey told us, opportunity to actually govern and they fail to govern, the base who has been promised for seven years now that it's going to be ripped out root and branch is going to have a beef. and they can't not -- they can't say, well, obamacare is failing, which is not actually accurate, but they're doing their best to make it fail. >> we have a rural problem they have to solve. >> i think what's been striking based on my conversations with people at white house and on capitol hill is that they have two completely different versions of...

A plan "b." you have people at the white house saying if this doesn't pass, we do want to just do repeal and replace several years down the line. that's what the president tweeted several days ago. folks on capitol hill say that's not realistic, that ship has sailed. we are going to have to stabilize the markets, what mitch mcconnell said. if this fails, there's a lot of gray area moving forward. >> when we talk about if the republican base really is going to care, i'm not so sure. this has become a grievance party that chants "fake news." i don't see it when i'm out on the road. >> the white ...