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Court justice, actually. which i think was an interesting thing to hear. >> do you think the romney camp would pick a woman? or do you think that doesn't play in here. >> i don't know that they'd be opposed to picking a woman. i think they're not going to be big risk takers after what happened four years ago and there aren't that many vetted republican women who have been through the wringer a few times who i think would be obvious choices and not present a risk. >> i hear they are vetting incredibly thoroughly. the romney camp, they've been on it for months. >> wouldn't you be? four years ago...

Security matters. when economy times are good it doesn't play as big a role. right now americans are concerned not just about the state of the economy today, but about, are we ever going to get out of it? has something gone fundamentally wrong in america? they look at housing prices, trillion dollar deficits and there is a growing concern that something has gone fundamentally wrong and that america can't turn it around, and that is what is driving the intensity of this election. jenna: so interesting, deeper ideological, philosophical questions about the role of government and the people. thos...

Second-guessing, the armchair quarterback stuff, the arab spring, bin laden, the winding down of iraq, actually the stabilization in afghanistan, none of these things are resolved. they never are. but seriously, you could not get a better year in foreign policy. >> it's pretty remarkable that he could be running for re-election on a better foreign policy record than economic record. and yeah you can't, bin laden is an accomplishment that obviously can't be downplayed. we are out of iraq. we might be out of afghanistan in july. who thought he would be running on those things, out of iraq, out o...

Way. >> of course. >> that's why it doesn't play. the other thing is, i just offer two history lessons for this christmas. one, i've been reading a book about the christmas of 1941 which is right after pearl harbor and what was going on at the white house, winston churchill had come here. you talk about problems, you talk about a challenge, the world was at war. hitler had eaten up most of europe at that point. the japanese were amok in the pacific. we didn't have a military that was prepared, really, for the consequences of that. then i've been reading about the campaign of 1948. harry truman...

Me at every step. to a lot of independent and moderates that sounds good like things are bad, but i could have done a much worse job. also, you know, i think this narrative of the class warfare, you know, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer it pits america against each other and it is frankly un-american. i don't think it's -- >> the problem with it, kathleen, is it's true. if the facts are the facts, i mean, separate what you call it. what slogans you use. the fact of the matter is, we've had a growing economic divide, and the top 10% have really seen their fortunes in...