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President. and it's just -- it's a very weird public relations strategy. >> weird and interesting. okay. two key points there. jonathan, now according to "washington post," sarah huckabee sanders told her colleagues that giuliani's interview left her in an untenable position. jonathan how much of a hit has she taken all week in terms of her credibility and sanders explanation that she, quote, gives the best information when it's available. is that enough? >> so, first of all, it's not surprising that she thinks she's in an untenable position. she essentially was benched in terms of rudy giulia...

Think if you look at timing of cohen and "the wall street journal" article where he said he facilitated the payment, used this word facilitated. he also said at no point in time was he reimbursed by the campaign or trump organization. it's rather suspicious because it doesn't say that he paid it. and i also think it's interesting that the did not mention mr. trump individually. i don't think there's any question as a release of that statement that merchandise 2018 that michael cohen had already started receiving reimbursement or had already been reimbursed. >> rudy giuliani said there was no -...

Make sure he's not charged with a crime. the best argument is the justice department cannot charge a sitting president. he may not be a sitting president all his life. one glorious day he will walk outside of those 16 acres at 1600 pennsylvania avenue, and he could be then charged with a crime. so there is a tension there. those things which might tend to protect his criminal liability can really hurt him politically, like taking the fifth. it's a really difficult thing, and so far i don't think either he or his legal team have been up to it. >> i think we also don't want to forget that muelle...

His legal team needs to understand that and separate themselves. that is to say, in the white house, the white house counsel does not work for donald trump. he works for the president of the united states. so his job is to forestall impeachment. his private attorneys need to make sure he's not charged with a crime. the best argument is the justice department cannot charge a sitting president. he will not be a sitting president all his life. one day he will walk outside, one glorious day he will walk outside those 16 acres at 1600 pennsylvania ave gnaw and he could be charged with a crime. so t...

The goal? and that's my big concern, is that if the goal getting rid of north korea's nuclear weapons, president trump has already been checkmated and he doesn't even realize that the game -- he doesn't even know the game has already begun. >> why do you think he's been checkmated, though? because what we saw come from this summit between north korea and south korea was, they signed a declaration of denuclearization. >> well, they've done that many times before. and when the north koreans say "denuclearization "denuclearization," they don't mean, it doesn't say, the denuclearization of north k...