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It's been so challenging. there is zero quit in anyone that i saw on that site. and it's really important that the families and communities understand that. i know these guys from task force 2. we've seen their work in haiti where they pulled people out after days. i've seen them work hurricanes. they were at 9/11. they know what they're doing. they're the best of the best, and they are so committed. and they know the task is giant. 159 missing. now, they look at it in two ways. you have unaccounted for, which are people who are known to have been in the building and they can't find versus peo...

Everybody's wondering, guessing what's going on, why aren't they in a hurry to get people out of there? why are they taking so long? why are the fires not out? and you just took your time to educate the public on exactly what is going on, and what's happening with those rescuers inside that pile. it takes time. it's methodical. it moves slowly. the times the fire was under control and sometimes it's not. >> so, it definitely has picked up. we have video of this two-front fire that they're dealing with, okay? one is it pillowibillowing out window. it's haze, it's nighttime. when i was able to w...

Survival. >> but this is all about compromise, right? because adding water to the pile does not help your efforts, because of the density of the mix and what that does for compression and shifting? help us understand that. >> they could have ten trucks here spraying water on this fire. and we wouldn't be able to work on this pile because it would be a complete slurry. so they are using just enough water to keep the fire under control, so that we can do our job. get in there and work. and -- and try to save as -- or access -- as many areas, as possible. and not hinder our operations. so, we're ...

And what were you focusing on? >> well, when you look at the pile in the rear of the structure. the pancake collapse. we had to try to determine where the best place for penetration might be. so, yes, we did have diagrams. but in addition to that, there is a building, three-buildings down, that is virtually identical. so, yes, we walked the floor plan. we developed a plan and we began to penetrate. and thankfully, the first thing that we saw was a mattress. so, we know we're in the area that we want to be, which is bedrooms, which is what you -- where you would expect people to be, at 1:30 in ...

There and work and try to save or access as many areas as possible, and not hinder our operations. so we're undergoing a process right now where we're going to expose a little bit more, maybe get them a little closer to the seat of the fire, so they can have even more effect. but the goal is allowing to us continue to work. >> one of the things you figured out was how to search smart, because, look, to look at it, you can't really differentiate between all 12 stories that are in there. you found another building, same architect or same layout and you walked it to help you understand where to g...