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There's a different world out there. you can't say a deterrent is going to work. you can't say to the guy you're going to the gas chamber. he's going to kill his mother, he doesn't care about the gas chamber or anything. so what do we do? >> we know certainly that doing nothing doesn't work either, and we only continue this whole culture of violence. you know, chris, the president was clear on this, too, and it's something that should be mentioned, and you know this because you know philadelphia and pittsburgh so well and the east coast. every day almost in our cities and areas, kids are invol...

Attack our freedoms and our rights. >> let me go back to mr. larson. this is a real trouble here because it always goes back to freedom and the fact we love this freedom we feel. adlai stevenson once said freedom in this country is something you can actually feel. it just feels great, the sense of being a grown-up and being able to go out and get in the car and go -- going anywhere you want in this country. there's so much freedom we don't even know how to think about it, it's like swimming in an ocean, and then we realize some people because of mental problems or because they're bad guys or t...