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Alive. >> sean: interestingly, jeremiah wright didn't take the money. >> he didn't take the money. >> sean: he was offered it. do you think it's possible that whittaker could have made that offer independently on his own? >> no. >> sean: why? >> because i don't think whittaker would have done something as important as that without -- first of all, he was a confidante of barack obama's. i mean, they were as close as brothers could be. and i don't think he would have done something as dramatic as offering $150,000 bribe without checking with his pal, barack, and saying, maybe we should do someth...

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Wright describes himself. >> the year before he ran, saying he would have to distance himself from me. i knew as a politician, if he is going to play the political game, he has to distance himself from me. if he wants to get elected, i -- i am toxic. >> sean: this goes to that meeting where, you know, that he says to -- where obama says to him, you know, your problem is, you have to tell the truth. >> that's right. >> sean: wow. >> the whole thing is, as you say, a very shrewd and subtle disassembling of barack obama in front of me and just describing him and showing him as the -- this kind of...

Let's listen to this... >> as i read the article, i want to make it very clear, i repudiate that effort. i think it's the wrong course for a pac or a campaign. i hope that our campaigns can respectively be about the future and about issues and about a vision for america. i -- i have been disappointed in the president's campaign to date, which is focused on character assassination. i just think that we are wiser to talk about the issues of the day, what we do to get america working again. talk about our respective records. >> sean: now governor romney, i have to respectfully disagree with you. ...

Tomorrow. because if you go out in front of the public and you are going to become the focus, you are going to become the media focus and... all the attention will be deflected away from my announcing the candidacy and that's a starring moment. >> sean: you know what i talktook out of that? you can kind of be over the top at times. the president really did know what jeremiah wright thought. >> of course, he did. he knew more than what he even said in the church because he and the reverend wright met numerous times in his private office, and he knew exactly what he stood for. >> sean: all right...