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Violation? well, if we're the prevention mechanism, once that violation has happened, we've already failed. and so it's incumbent upon a director of the office of government ethics or my staff as a whole to object before we reach that point because we're supposed to be running around preventing that from happening. >> now up next i'm going to speak with don fox. he previously ran the same ethics office. he will react from the new statements from his colleague who resigned. ...to go number 2. i love you, but sometimes you stink. ♪ new febreze air effects with odorclear technology cleans... .....

>> why do you think people who are already quite wealthy, many of whom are at an advanced stage of their career, seem so concerned about continuing to carry on business and make more money? i don't know if you listen to lil wayne the rapper but he said too much money ain't enough money. is it simple greed or inexperience? >> for those of who have spent our professional lives working for the government, whether on active duty in the military or as a civil servant, frankly it really is hard to understand. it's also difficult to understand simply from the standpoint that government jobs and parti...

Sitting here tonight that everyone in the white house is, including the president, free of conflicts of interest? >> well, no. we have received very little information about what the individuals in the white house do on a day to day basis for a living. they've negotiated ethics agreements with them and refuse ds to let the office of government ethics so much as as see those. agreements. when we've worked on the financial disclosure statement we've asked for information and it's like pulling teeth. >> the departing head of the office of government ethics speaking ton. i'm joined by don fox who ...

Already quite wealthy many of whom are advanced stage of their career seem so concerned about continuing to carry on business and make more money? i don't know if you listen to lilly wayne the rapper but he said too much money ain't enough money. is it simple greed or inexperience. >> for those of hughes spent our professional lives working for the government, whether on active duty in the military or as a civil servant, frankly it really is hard to understand. it's also difficult to understand simply from the standpoint that government jobs and particularly senior jobs are very demanding. it'...

Ds to let the office of government ethics so much as as see those. agreements. when we've worked on the financial disclosure statement we've asked for information and it's like pulling teeth. >> the departing head of the office of government ethics speaking ton. i'm joined by don fox who was a former director in the same office good evening to you. >> good evening, ari happy to be here. >> your thoughts on this position taken here by mr. schwab who left and says the trump white house doesn't care about ethics. >> it's just so profoundly disappointing that this is where we find ourselves. i don...