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And one of the things you've heard about is whether or not he should defund the investigation or just not provide a lat of money for him to continue on. so you might things in that vein, that they would undermine him but not outright fire him. >> thank you so much. coming up, the new author of a new biography of bobby kennedy, our own chris matthews will join us to tell us what our on j own story could teach us about the story today. and we covered it, july first, twenty-fifteen. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bu...

Conversations with special consul mueller, to let it proceed carefully. but there are many conservative allies on capitol hill who are telling the president privately to engage with mueller in a more combative way. this is the tension we're detecting at the post. the president yoz you said is protect projecting calm in a "the new york times" interview. but tensions are running high because they know these indictments may not be the end of the story. in fact, they may just be the beginning. >> jen iffnifer, let me pick upt point with you. i can't think of anyone more impervious than bob mueller...