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so he's got a better strategy and that is winning the republican nomination. last night's debate ties into a strategy. >> absolutely ali. i think you have to keep in mind that donald trump the defendant, and donald trump the candidate. and in a dynamic environment he does not have the space to pivot in both at the same time. so what we saw last night, pretty much ensures for him, i don't have a serious contender. i am more likely than not going to be the republican nominee. and so this is a space that i don't have to worry about because if you look at the numbers today, no one gained any real traction. anything that changed the numbers were nominal at best. and so he knows that i've got the party locked in my pocket. and so now i could focus on being a defendant and the rest of the stuff that i would need to normally focus on as a candidate, i just have to maintain the status quo. that's very, very important for, him and the legal strategy it is not clear how much his defense team is talking to his campaign. but it is clear that they have to coordinate their strategy on some level. because those things have to be

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is ultimately if he is allowed to do it for as long as he's allowed to do it he maintains some control over the narrative. if he is punished, which katie benner has already talked about, and harry's already talked about which, some, what most people loathe to do. if it happens it becomes a distraction. it becomes something that he could sort of push even further. and also spin that narrative as well. so it becomes a win, win for him to push the limits without necessarily going overtly over that line. he has flinched. but i still expect him to try and push those boundaries and see how far he gets. >> there is no particular cause to him. because if he gets, arrested if we see donald trump because he tweeted something about, someone he gets to put it on t-shirts, and start fundraising. >> the reason, money become smarter and he also gets to appeal. and now you need to recuse this judge or this judge needs to be removed from the case. and so now you create another distraction for delay, and if he's not punished for, it then he continued to control the narrative.

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disentangling these cases and finding ways to form a common strategy with other codefendants. or trying to remove his clients from the bigger case. which is something that fani willis does not want to happen. she has tried to keep all these 19 codefendants in one big grouping, with the exception of kenneth, who is trying to sever himself off from the rest of the case. but steve stayed out in a very interesting moment to watch. >> there's a lot of talk about, that the idea that she would like to try this as one. case she built it as one case. ken chesbrough wants to peel himself off. donald trump wants the opposite of a speedy trial. he wants the thing to go as long as possible until after he becomes pressed again -- so that you could say you can't a president. but the question and maybe chesebro thinking here is that i forced to do a speedy, trump but she's not ready to go. >> that's exactly the strategy, the strategy is okay, you have

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but in general, yes, but, the but is he is somewhat the passive observer of events. he couldn't stop mark meadows from the next day moving to remove, even though he would prefer 30 days. he couldn't stop ken chesbrough from looking to fall the speedy trial which is the last thing that he. once he couldn't stop the georgia elector, who today. said it was all trump's, team trump's doing. and therefore i should be able to get immunity. so i think that he is, in, part not the captain of the ship. now everyone is going in many different directions. there is nothing like actually being booked to sort of so really focus on your own self interest. and there comes a part from, trump in some ways so i agree generally. except for when he's looking at, in part is the hand that i

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19 defendants and i'm going to push. this you're not gonna be ready to go so that's gonna immediately invoke the first delay. and donald trump is going to watch this, he's going to follow it and the other defendants are gonna do the same thing. if i'm donald trump's defense team, what i am trying to do as best as i can is get to the republican national convention. because i'm the presumptive nominee, and at that point what i am going to, do once i become the nominee is that i'm going to file a motion in federal court in south florida to say that hey, this was the first case that was filed by jack smith. i want this to be moved further out because now the election interference argument that i have been making has more teeth to, it i'm gonna make sure everything. tracks even if i, lose and i appeal i am hoping to get this case in front of the supreme court where there's a supermajority. and at that, point maybe they throw me a bone. at this point donald trump and his defense team, they have to be engaging in a strategy where they are trying to throw everything against the wall to see what sticks. while simultaneously allowing or hoping that someone else

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so happy birthday sir. thank you for spending this moment with us. >> thank you sir. >> so let's start with, you donald trump said it is a wish hunt and it's a terrible day for america. you point out that in other places, if you attempt a coup, you often don't get a trial. >> right. >> this is actually an important day for process, justice, and democracy in america. >> donald trump can characterize today anyway he wants, to that's his right but the fact remains, ali, that this is an important day for american democracy. we are at a point where our public confidence in both the supreme court, as well as the federal courts, and then the trickle down effect from the public with lower courts that are an all-time low. so today was just not important, it was necessary. the public needed to see that the rules are the same for everyone. if we don't have public confidence in our institutions that are the bedrock of american democracy, that our democracy unravels. so, today was an imperative day for american democracy. we had all these conversations about the two party system and how important democracy is to

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information. but i don't see that in this indictment. and i know a lot of people who come on msnbc would disagree with me. but, just i think that what we see from john smith this that he has the information. he can make a convincing, case publicly speaking through his court filings and he doesn't. >> you know, harry, lost in all of this conversation about the number of indictments that donald trump is already facing is the fact that jack smith still has pending investigation among farther things that donald trump could be indicted for. i want to ask, you do you think that it is likely that we will see more from jack smith? and if so, how does that complicate what donald trump is already dealing with on a legal front? >> everything this complicates. nothing simplifies for trump. i agree. and i do think he made a big deal. much of what he did kind of took the baton from the january six committee. but he was independently interested, and clear in the fundraising piece. he had people in the grand jury. nothing has happened with that.

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interference charges. he was given an inmate number p 01135809. he arrived in atlanta, shortly after seven pm this evening after flying down from his home in new jersey, he then drove to the fulton county jail, under police tech scored, heavy police escort where he was booked on racketeering charges related to his effort to reverse the 2020 election loss in georgia. the whole process took just over 20 minutes, trump's booking document lays out the 200,000 dollar bond tied to his release ahead of his trial. nbc has confirmed he used fosters bail bonds, and large bill georgia to post that bond. after his booking was completed, trump then headed back to the airport for the flight to new jersey before he boarded his plane, he stopped on the tarmac, repeated his lies about the 2020 election, which he insists at the right to challenge. by the way, that is true. he absolutely had the right to challenge it. he also had the right to lie about it. he just didn't have the right to conspire with other people to overturn the law.

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democrats versus republicans. the visual of donald trump, the former president of the united states of america having a mugshot and being held accountable for crimes that he is now accused of having committed was so important -- >> for which you will have a trial. >> correct, and have a trial in the jury of his peers, as the constitution allows to be heard and to be presented. >> because everybody says he keeps saying, i'm in assad, everybody knows. >> and to be clear, jack smith, and the doj have to do their job. unquestionably, there's no question about, it the burden of proof rests on them and that does not shift. but even, so for that to have occurred is the beginning of restoring that confidence. the public sort of faith in our system that are the bedrock of american democracy. >> you are gonna left to yourself, probably, because i think you're pretty soon gonna have enough for 24 hours covering this whole thing. but you know, what it's necessary. because it's complicated what's going on in georgia, some people have surrendered, some people not surrendered. a couple of people have asked who have not surrendered.

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shop your favorite brand sporting the monopoly tag for unlimited game tickets and get ready to win at lucky! donald trump said down interview, with tucker carlson is raising alarm for many reasons. one in particular. political violence, the former president suggested that we could see more of it in the weeks and months to. come and ask for their points out, the political violence is at a tyus level since the 1970s. let's discuss it with the former fbi, watson, who's also a consultant for counterterrorism division.

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