We would attempt to do is match couples, our couples, to justice couples, so kind of feel a personality types, interests, age, station and life and so forth and -- and try our best to be matchmakers. try to pair up couples where we thought there was a good prospect for a meaningful friendship to develop, and this particular couple really had an innate capacity for understanding human behavior, what bothered those justice couples they interacted with what their needs were, and they responded to those needs. >> that couple he's talking about here is donald and gayle right. the shanks scheme, the...