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January 6th, where he raised 250 million. do you think that it is possible that the donor class in the end, oh the irony, will be the ones that take donald trump off stage right, or do you think that they acquiesce as well? >> it's funny, because there are two donor classes. there are the dozen or so millionaires who fund most of the republican party right now. most of them, at the beginning of 2016, were like, oh, donald trump, scoundrel, i can't abide by him. and then they all fell in line and gave him money. then you have the small donors. this sort of paltry money that he has raised so far...

Something's happening there. bernie sanders at 14%, kamala harris at 8%, pete buttigieg at 5%, beto o'rourke at 3%. what do you see, steve rattner, in that list, as the donor classes are starting to move towards the candidates that they're going to want to fund? >> they're not moving to elizabeth warren but she's done it on her own. >> as you've said, that's the most powerful thing, online fund-raising and ability to get there on your own without the big donors. that fuels you. >> that fuels use and you get through the polls on your own. she's identified with a