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From the border, perhaps family separation wasn't the deterrent the president said it was. >> i think the argument that has to be made, willie, is that who are we? what do we stand for as a country? what are our values? to kind of show that this immigration policy reflects what wittman would describe as a callousness of the spirit. don't begin with the argument about illegal argument, don't begin with the argument within their frame about denying open borders, begin with the claim about who do we take ourselves to be and to begin to make a claim or to describe why these folk are leaving hondur...

There are two ways to increase your take-home pay. one is to take us out of it which this bill needs to do in the second is to have things that create a more competitive economy so you have a bigger paycheck to start with. this tax bill meets those criteria, it will do it it needs to do and families will benefit and hardworking individuals will benefit because of that. >> harris: i want to talk to you about a half dozen or so senate republican members who raise concern. i'm curious to know, how big of a fight could this be and what are a couple of the issues you are dealing with already? >> i ...

With a family, you can transform their behavior. but putting them out and perpetrating the school to prison pipeline, when we do that, we in education are part of the problem. and the fact that it starts so early is sad. >> secretary, let me jump in there. if you saw in sara's story there, it seems to intimate there was a reflection on racism as a society. that true? is it part of a racial problem in america as the story contends? >> so this is -- let me be very clear there are clear racial disparities in the use of out-of-school suspension and expulsions that is a real challenge. it is racism...

Child needs more time with a social worker, with a counselor. do we need to bring the parents in and work together on these very tough issues. and as you know, i spend a lot of time working in the inner city on the south side of chicago. children came to us with lots of challenges. but when you listen to them, when you paid attention, work with a family, you can transform their behavior. but putting them out and perpetrator waiting the school to prison pipeline, when we do that, we in education are part of the problem. and the fact that it starts so early is sad. >> secretary, let me jump in t...

Students. so why are so many preschoolers getting expelled, and why are we seeing again this racial disparity across the board here? >> well, what i always say, don, when a child is acting out, that's always a symptom of a problem. it's never the root cause. and i think it's incumbent upon us as adults to get to the root cause of what is going on that is causing that child to act out or to misbehave. is it a challenge in school? is it a challenge in community? is it a challenge at home? and when we suspend and expel, we don't deal with the root cause. we avoid it and may be exacerbating the pr...