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Knows the reality. is the president making up an emergency? >> absolutely not. bruin, this is part of the frustration for those of us from a law enforcement, border security perspective. how many more statistics do we have to provide? how many more factually based examples do we have to provide? how many more angel families have to stand in front of the individuals before they will family say yeah, okay, this is real? this is incredulous. >> it's true. the other thing i thought about, too, mark. i know you served on the obama years. there was an emergency then. they chose not to act on it. it ...

Mark, is the president making up an emergency? >> absolutely not. bruin, this is part of the frustration for those of us from a law enforcement, border security perspective. how many more statistics do we have to provide? how many more factually based examples do we have to provide? how many more angel families have to stand in front of the individuals before they will family say yeah, okay, this is real? this is incredulous. >> it's true. the other thing i thought about, too, mark. i know you served on the obama years. there was an emergency then. they chose not to act on it. it doesn't mean ...

Them. >> congressman clay higgins, we're glad you're here. this is poppy harlow. point of fact, it's gone down. the number of total illegal boarder crossings has gone down. we've shown the chart many times. >> wrong. >> it's not wrong. >> how do you count the ones, madam, that you don't catch? >> how do you count the ones that you don't catch, sir? >> we're counting the ones that we do catch. >> and that's what i'm counting. congressman, i really -- we don't want to argue with you, congressman, we want to have a civil conversation so let me ask the question as the team gets the chart and we'll...

Point out? isis has said, use the u.s.'s southern border as a method of getting in. have we been lucky it hasn't been worse? >> i guess so. you could say that, but, you know, it has been quite bad. there have been a number of terrorists we have caught, and i think anyone who is familiar with the southern border knows for every individual we catch there's probably at least three or four that we don't catch. so i can only imagine the number of terrorists who have already successfully entered over the southern border. you know, another area where terrorists have been abusing the system is the ref...

To down do 100 feet. why would you ever allow somebody make a plane automatically fly at 100 feet. what good can come from that? >> part of it is we trust our pilots the entire system relies on some sort of sense they know what they're doing and this fell apart when you have a suicidal pilot. you could think of ways in which you could override a pilot who is putting in numbers that don't make sense do air traffic control. we rely on our pilots that's why there's so much focus on who are they are they getting the help they need. i have to agree with jim on not just the two pilots in the cockpit...