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You sell this entity that has been a thorn in our boss' side for the past 18 months. >> at&t is not the first company to legally challenge the justice department. it's a reminder that administrations don't dive up when you think it's the case with a justice department action. for example, it was under reagan's justice department that we had the formal breakup of at&t. so you could make the case that that is really hardly a consistent case where the administration would personally push its point of view. i guess what i'm asking you here, where do you think this goes? with at&t promising legal a...

Ago before paul manafort before the campaign. why aren't crooked hillary and the dems the focus. also, there is no collusion. that seems to match up with exactly what you were saying a moment ago. how should the president go through this, conduct himself, choose to react and respond at appropriate times and perhaps not respond at others? i ask you that question. there have been a lot of analysts yesterday and today suggesting just lie low. if there is no collusion, go ahead and let the water run past you and don't dive into it. what do you think about that and what will he do? >> i would advis...

First thing is most important. you dive away from the jet ski, not towards anything. you don't want to end up -- >> dead. >> dead. hover there in the air just like normal. you dive in at a 45-degree angle, okay? don't dive straight down or you don't drive straight out. if you dive too far straight down, you could get -- there's a chance you could get -- >> die. >> and if you dive straight out, you will know it. >> you'll die. >> make sure you -- >> death, death, death.

You're on. they will always give you some type of safety protocol or a safety lecture letting you know where the life jackets are, where the life rafts are. in the event of a problem, what you should do. it is usually a five or ten minute lecture. they even do them on the head fishing boats that you may take out to go fishing with your family. you usually get some type of life saving explanation. >> butch, i know you're an experienced rescue diver. i think for people who don't dive, when they see part of the ship still sticking out of the water it doesn't look like it is that deep. you know, i...

Drive. if you are a black male. you know if you are out in your car, you may be pulled over. you may be asked for i.d. be sure to do two things. and i interviewed police to ask them about this. make sure you tell -- make sure you keep your hands on the steering wheel so people can see that both of your hands are where they are supposed to be. and if they ask for license and registration tell them where it is before you go for it. don't dive for it under your seat or the glove box because those are the things that make reporters like me end up reporting about tragedies that happen because of mi...