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Signed or if he signed the form. yes all administration officials are required to sign that ethics pledge banning them from lobbying for five years and lifetime ban of lobbying on behalf of any foreign government. >> what are the repercussions if an employee of this administration lobbies within five years, where is the teeth? what's the penalty? what's the punishment that would be imposed on that particular trump administration employee? >> i'd have to get back to you john. i don't know whether that's the department of justice aspect or not. i will get back. >> did the president ask preet bha...

>> it's not like we love obamacare. it means don't throw the baby out with the bath water. don't kill medicaid expansion. you have to be ability to subsidize people with lower income levels >> go back to the original idea of obamacare supposed to be that people afford to go to doctor. they can't. they can afford to have coverage. but they can't afford to go to the doctor. >> the u.s. en editor of "wall street journal" join us now that paul ryan promise this bill will pass congress. he said it will. are you as convinced as the speaker is? >> this is a moment in time right. paul ryan is trying t...

First of all, medicaid expansion which has covered 700,000 people in my state, a big chunk of whom are mentally ill and drug addicted and have chronic diseases, they tend to churn and move off that program. then they have to go to an exchange that is broken. the bill needs fixed. the current system doesn't work and that's why it's possible to get democrats involved, but you don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water. let me ask you this, chuck. if i put you an exchange for your family and i give you a $4,000 tax credit or $3,000, what kind of insurance are you going to buy for $3,000...

Poor when what we ought to be doing is fixing the things that needed fixing with obamacare, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water. >> aby, let's talk about the politics of this. it looks like there are a lot of hurdles. the conservative block, you heard rand paul earlier in the show very opposed to this. they think these refundable tax credits are republican welfare, they're calling it. it looks as though a lot of democrats, if not all democrats in the senate at the very least are going to oppose it. can this pass? >> right. i mean, this bill very much feels like it's an orphan. it ...

This? >> yeah, sure. i've been saying from the beginning that you just have to approach this in a way that's balanced, which is to say don't throw the baby out with the bath water. parents of obamacare that work ought to be retained and those parts that don't work for people ought to be fixed. i think that republican members of the house and senate are finding when they go back to their home districts, to their states that this is how people feel. people are very passionate. if you've been helped by it, of course you want to keep it, you've been hurt by it like so many americans have because t...