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You know, if you're a democrat, i understand you love her. i'm a republican and i have to say, i certainly admire her. i think she's been a great first lady, but i don't consider her a thought leader. i don't think she's going to be able to prop up hillary clinton. this was probably one of their largest rallies. they may have topped 15,000 people. they let the kids out of school i guess. i don't know. but the reality is, donald trump has that kind of crowd anywhere he has a rally, and he could do it at 9:00 at an airplane hangar, he can do it on a parking lot on a saturday afternoon. he's used...

For left. we see it on both sides. >> what's happening now is before the election has even happened -- and i'll go with his -- with the premise saying that it happened with left-wing media -- so-called left-wing media after the fact there was a contested election but go on. >> what about the violence in north carolina to a republican party? >> it's not -- it's not just situational, don. it's systemic on both the right and the left. i think where i agree with you is that what i would worry about with donald trump's current rhetoric right now is that he is doing what i think many enemies around ...

North carolina to a republican party? >> it's not -- it's not just situational, don. it's systemic on both the right and the left. i think where i agree with you is that what i would worry about donald trump's current rhetoric right now is he's doing what i think many enemies around the globe want to see which is tripptri trivializing democracy. i do believe it is incumbent upon those secretaries of state, whether republicans or democrats, and leaders in washington or around the country, who are republicans and democrats, to make the case about the integrity of our democracy and how important ...

Heard and saw on the tape, what do you make of that reversal? >> well, don, i'm just deeply disappointed by that. you know, eventually, our leaders have to start standing on principle. they have to start standing on principle at the very least when we're being attacked. when americans are being attacked our leaders need to stand up, especially when women have been attacked in this election cycle by donald trump, as consistently as they have been. and by the way, that tape, that was nothing new, the trump tape. he's been attacking people through the election based on gender, race, religion f. o...

Lady, but i don't consider her a thought leader. i don't think she's going to be able to prop up hillary clinton. this was probably one of their largest rallies. they may have topped 15,000 people. they let the kids out of school i guess. i don't know. but the reality is, donald trump has that kind of crowd anywhere he has a rally, and he could do it at 9:00 at an airplane hangar, he can do it on a parking lot on a saturday afternoon. he's used to getting those people, but they come out to see him. i think the crowd today was coming out to see michelle obama, as much as anything, and those vot...