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>> we're not talking about -- we're talking about this interview, joe. >> and you know what? i'm talking about something broader than this interview. i'm talking about the way this president sees the office of the presidency, and he sees, and we see threats of violence. we saw it in that rally before the midterms. we see this idea that somehow if i don't win, the system is rigged. there is three million people who didn't vote. now david, can you tell me -- give me the name of one of those three million. one of the three million. >> i'm here right now during this segment to talk about this inte...

He did not say that he did not say that, joe. and for you to intimate that falsely is not fair. >> let. >> respond. >> listen, this is a president who said three million people voted fraudulently in the last election. >> we're not talking about -- we're talking about this interview, joe. >> and you know what? i'm talking about something broader than this interview. i'm talking about the way this president sees the office of the presidency, and he sees, and we see threats of violence. we saw it in that rally before the midterms. we see this idea that somehow if i don't win, the system is rigged...

Are people freaking about? >> it's not about the historical comparison, the in tra year comparison. normally speaking the nominees, 75% of them got in before the median candidate of that year. we've already had 12 people say they're running for president or formed and exploratory committee and still running. very likely biden will be towards the latter half of the pack if he decides to get in. normally candidates don't win nominations. there are four that did but he could upset that mold. normally candidates running to have a good shot tend to get in early. >> voters want to believe you want t...

Don't say anything negative, just be positive. we are out to beat trump. we are not out to destroy each other in the democratic primary. does that last all the way to the primary? >> normally when a candidate says this it never lasts. the only way you win in a multi candidate field is you have to prove why you are better than other candidate. sanders could have attacked hillary clinton on a lot of things, her paid speeches and e-mails. the one thing he ever said was i don't give a damn about your e-mails, hillary. that was him trying to get beyond that issue. he wasn't trying to attack her. he...

Prevent a challenge -- a republican primary challenge to the sitting president. do you think the rnc should let the chips fall where they may? >> well, this is president trump's rnc in the sense that hi appoints the chairman. so obviously, there is something that is pro the white house and the administration. but, obviously, in our system of democracy and in our party anybody's free to make the challenge. sometimes it's a more difficult environment than others. in this case, with president trump's record with what he's accomplished, it would be very difficult for someone to mount a successful ...