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Magazine, about terrorist organizations die. this could be the best al qaeda can do right now. >> if this is the best al qaeda can do, they're not on the run, they're limping along. >> sort of the new jersey nets of -- >> of terror organizations. but this just seemed -- remember from the very beginning, officials were saying, this amateur hour. they found basically a hodgepodge of things, that when you put them all together properly, it could be a bomb, but instead, you just got this truck that smoked and had firecrackers in it and propane and gasoline that didn't do anything. didn't work. he ...

Said that, why are there so many eastern europeans? the north of eng rand is krakow at this point. >> let's say kleeg pulls it out and wins. who are the people around him? do people feel confident he would bring in people who would be good to help him govern? >> no, they don't, really. it's purely about, oh, my god, there's a third choice. we cannot stand brown. here's cameron, this strange lated upperclass guy pretending to be man of the people. they didn't fall in love with cameron, he just represented change. and then this third guy that could really bring change. >> so what you're saying, ...

I take you don't agree with everything he's saying? >> we're coming up with a broad indictment on an administration which isn't appropriate right for you. if you want to look at where this investigation failed, how we got to this point, that is fine. some. things he talked about were based on policies that were in place in the previous administration, that haven't been fixed. if we want to politicalize this before shahzad is comfortable in his cell, that's fine. >> are we politicalizing this -- >> whenever a guy starts out with, all due respect, you know you're going to get hammered after that...

New york times" poll you're citing there, 69% of respondents from the south say the law is either about right or does not go far enough. and 66% from midwest say the same thing. very interesting numbers there, jim. >> exactly. this is why you have a lot of democrats calling washington saying, we don't want to have this debate. the last thing we want to head into november talking about a big health care program and talk about immigration reform in a way that works against democratic candidates in swing districts. remember, not every single race is competitive. there's only a handful in this yea...

Capability. this guy had serious intent. he did not have the capability. that's the most significant point right now. that doesn't mean in the future that another person who tries to attempt this can't be more successful. the 2007 bombing attempt in london used gas and propane canisters. that had a greater chance of working than what shahzad did. while we're being -- we're being very careful about not saying too far saying, it's crude, amateurish, it's still serious. all that said, if that's the best an organized terrorist group can do now, we're doing pretty well. >> that's what i was going t...