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We are going to train up the locals -- in tickets difficult in syria because our fight is against isis but the syrian rebels to a large extent are interested in bringing down assad, rather than necessarily going over isis. some of them in order to survive go back and forth between the two groups. this is the problem that we have, when we vet and figure out who is really going to go after isis versus this whole assad issue going on, the group gets narrower and narrower because we don't want to train these people to be fighting assad, rather than our primary concern, which is to go after isis. s...

Saddam remained during the no-fly zone. >> i'm not talking about bringing down assad. that's a difference. not talking full-fledged into syria. a zone that is free allies to the united states. it exists 4 or 5 million people as i said kurds and christians and secular muslims. and then once you have it under your own alliances then you can work your way into syria. otherwise, the two syrias, let them fight against each other and become two enemies, not one. >> laura: i don't think the american public will go for that and part of what i discussed earlier with bob kagan is that he we just don't t...

Saddam remained during the no-fly zone. >> i'm not talking about bringing down assad. that's a difference. not talking full-fledged into syria. a zone that is free allies to the united states. it exists 4 or 5 million people as i said kurds and christians and secular muslims. and then once you have it under your own alliances then you can work your way into syria. otherwise, the two syrias, let them fight against each other and become two enemies, not one. >> laura: i don't think the american public will go for that and part of what i discussed earlier with bob kagan is that he we just don't t...